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jbauti
01-16-2004, 08:46 AM
Hi, I just joined the forum this morning. I am on the last chapter of the book. The Identity Formation part was great- as well as everything I read so far.

My Daughter is 13, (8th grade) and going through the Identify Formation for a year and half. I am unsure how far we let her go.
I am a housewife and mother of 3, my huband is definitely the disspassionate cop in the book, ironically he is in law enforcement! My daughter listens to music like Cradle of Filth, Manson, AFI. Her dress is most creative, we have been told my school staff that she has started new trends in her school. If you accept digital pictures- I will send pictures of her dress. Her friends do not dress like her- although she is popular in school.
She always dressed in black- she dyed her hair black (it in naturally blonde), she wears fish nets, spikes everywhere, black up to the knee boots with a 1 1/2 foot platform, sometimes a black top hat at times a cowboy hat with a white feather. sometimes chains, the list can go on. On her face, she puts black lines to her cheekbone, always black lipstick and at times green vertical stripes along with the black lipstick. Yes, she has caused quite a disruption in Middle School. My husband took her to Ozzfest this year, she wore a black long wig, dressed all in black, white face paint and black lines down her face. (She was actually mistaken for M. Manson child by another band member that was playing at Ozzfest!) On a positive side (not saying all I listed was not positive, just unique) She is highly gifted in the artistic field, her writing abilites have amazed teachers since the fourth grade and in Middle School, two of Language Arts teachers told me that they have never met a student with my daughters talents for writing in their whole careers and she is a wonderful artist. She also plays the cello, and does like music like "Yanni,"
More recently, she has gotten into "The Joy of Satan" website and joined a "teensforsatan" forum, with our approval-mostly my husbands. He feels allow her to experience things she feels she needs but monitor it. Keep the communication open and allow her to explore under our roof and not search somewhere else to explore where we don't have control over. I totally agree but it is so hard! That is why your book is helping me through this too.
Since joining the teensforsatan forum, she had dedicated herself at 12:00 am outside on our deck, I told she it involved a candle burning and more, I need to stay nearby just in case of an emergency, but not watch over her shoulder. She agreed. She tells us she is a satanist- but a spiritual satanist-mainly the ideas from "The Joy of Satan" website. Ironically, my husband will be switching careers around July-from law enforcement to being a Luteran Pastor of a congregation.

My main concern how far do allow her to go- she just erected a homemade alter in her bedroom, so she can mediate. She is only 13 but very mature (at times). She shares a bedroom with her 5 year old sister- who of course thinks her big sister is the best. My 5 year old has drawn picture for her sister in blood dripping from the face and was so happy to present it to her big sister because she knew she would like it so much. My husband and I are thinking of moving my 5 year old into our room until we possible move in the summer. We understand my older daughter need her space and I really don't want my 5 year old seeing all this stuff because she will not sleep without me(although I started that when she was little), will not go to the bathroom without me and is having nightmares. She will not admit what she is freighten about, but doesn idolize her big sister and wants to change the color of hair to black.

I apologize if I rambled on and on but I have spent so many sleepless night worrying about my older daughter. Even with all I wrote, life is not that bad around our house, it just sounds like it, I guess. We are trying to do the best we can to keep harmony. We also have a 16 year old son with Asperger Syndrome.
Peace,
Joanie Fiore
jefiore@comcast.net

PS. She also considered herself "Transgender."

jbauti
01-21-2004, 05:29 AM
Gosh, when I reread my post it really sounds scary, and at times it is scary. We just started seeing a counselor, and my daughter is pretty much open with her. We do monitor her internet use with the program, "I am Big Brother." And at times, my daughter and I will sit down together with the program and discuss why she might of chosen a certain web site to visit. We also look up the lyrics to the songs she listens to and speak to her about them. Maybe because she is still only 13 (though she does give us grief about it at times), she does accept us telling her that she may listen to song A and B but not C because of certain reasons. We did try to ban her from certain music groups but that did not work because she found a way to listen to them.

Dr. Bradly, how common is it for teens to consider themselves as "spiritual satanist?" Have you come across many teens in your practice that are into this? Will she out grown this- like in your book it says- "It shall pass."

JF
Maryland

Mike Bradley
01-23-2004, 02:38 PM
Dear JF,
I'm so glad you guys have gotten into counseling. While "playing" at alternative lifestyle or counterculture issues is common for teens, your 13-year-old's involvement is extreme and needs attention. Minimally, she should have recognized the impact this was having on her little sister, and shielded her from the scary stuff. Something unusual might be going on here.

Ask your counselor if he/she thinks that a psychiatric evaluation might be in order. Sometimes these actions can indicate the presence of a disorder that needs attention. Another issue to consider is the Asperger's genes that your daughter may have inherited. That disorder sometimes runs in families and can appear in very subtle forms that are hard to detect, although usually it occurs in males. Some Asperger's-type kids can get obsessively involved in some interests.

In any event, your timing is perfect since you still have some "executive" control over your kid that you will lose as she ages a bit. Please keep us posted.