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DisappointedDad
10-05-2004, 07:44 PM
My 15 year old son has been seeing a 15 year old girl for 8 months. When the relationship started, it quickly ramped up to the point where the girl was at our house every day after school until about 9pm plus one weekend day with the other weekend day spent at her house. After about 2 months of this, we finally put our foot down and limited the visits much to the disgust of the girl and my son. We asked the girls mother for help on this issue, but she did not see any problems with the amount of time they were together.

This was his first relationship and we were concerned with the intensity of it. We had a discussion about this, expressed our wishes, and gave him some strategies that he could use to “pace” the relationship. However, three months after their relationship started, we discovered they were having sex. We notified the girl’s mother about this and told our son that his visits with her would now be limited and supervised. The girl’s mother responded by putting her daughter on the pill and then dropping her daughter off in the neighborhood in the morning six days a week (it was summer break now) at another friend’s house and the girl would either end up at our house or pacing the street in front.

Admittedly, there were many “angry cop” sessions, but my wife and I finally collected ourselves and had a dispassionate discussion with my son and his girlfriend about our four basic rules of the house. One of them included the fact that we didn’t want them to have sex with the main reasons being that a pregnancy at this age would have a huge impact on their lives ( they have already named their kids). Not an hour later, we found them having sex again (protected at least). His response, “She changed her mind!” The girl’s mother’s response was that it was no big deal. “Kids will be kids.”

Now, we’ve learned (by our son’s own admission) that the girl and her mother are finding ways to work around our rules, encouraging are son to break the rules and belittling him when he follows our rules. Our son has told us that he wants to follow our rules and earn back our trust, but he finds himself caught in the middle. Unfortunately, given sufficient time and influence (they go to the same high school), he typically ends up giving in to her pressure fully realizing that there will be consequences for his actions. And in the event that he does go against her wishes, she threatens to kill herself every time. The girl’s mother has also been informed about this, but again, no action is taken.

The LCSW we’ve been seeing doesn’t seem to be addressing this issue that we feel is the core of the matter. We know that cutting the relationship off is ill advised and virtually impossible unless we send him away. He knows we don’t want to do this, but he also knows that we will if he forces our hand. What else can we do?

Mike Bradley
10-06-2004, 05:05 PM
Dear Dad,
As you've likely guessed, you may have a train rushing at your family that has a very good chance of crushing you all with an "accidental" pregnancy or intentional suicide. You describe a helpless mom with a manipulative daughter who is shopping for someone to rescue her.
The steps you've taken so far were right on. But since your son was unable to adhere to the agreed-upon rules it is now time to go to the next step.
Ask the girl's mom to come to a counseling session with you and your wife. Ask the therapist to "predict" where this all is heading (i.e. pregnancy and/or suicide attempts). Make it clear to mom that under no circumstances will you help her through such a crisis, that these kids will NOT be getting married, and that she and her daughter will pay a terrible price here if you all don't work together to take control in this dangerous scenario.
Next take your son out for a latte. See if he can begin to understand that he is now emotionally carrying this girl, and getting pulled deeper into a situation that might explode on him. If he agrees, then talk of setting new visit limits. If he disagrees and seems hopelessly enmeshed with her, then chat with the counselor about whether it is time for drastic action such as sending your son away for awhile. He may be so far sucked in that he might need his parents to take charge here, and he might know that on some level. It's certainly a risk, but doing nothing may be more of a risk. Get the counselor to guide you through this.
Good luck and keep us posted.

DisappointedDad
10-27-2004, 02:25 PM
So when is enough, enough? It has been 8 months; 7 of these have been excruciating.
We have followed the professional advice not to forbid them to date, but have made it very clear to both that at this point sex is NOT an option. Now here is the problem. As adults we know this is a very destructive relationship. She is a very troubled young girl (turned 15 in July, our son turns 16 in Jan.) and probably will never get the help she desperately needs. In the mean time she is sucking the life out of our son and he just can’t see it. He has even stated he is going to see this through, he has to. He lies to her and himself all the time and we are pretty sure he is still lying to us just not the huge ones as before. We have established some clear boundaries and he is following them pretty well. At this point we are just riding it out in the hopes that he will eventually get tired of being constantly belittled and berated by her. During this last month, as he has been earning back some freedoms which includes seeing more of her(since she is always “around”), she constantly tells him how insane and unfit we are as parents. We are just in the way of them getting on with their “perfect life.” Yes! We are crazy and have agreed with him when he says we are, but also remind him that somehow we lost the manual when he was born. It pains us terribly to see our fantastic young man being pulled apart limb by limb. We have asked him to critically look at this relationship and had him explain what this would mean. He knows exactly what things we are concerned with, yet he continues to be “madly in love”. His phone time is now only 1 hour and to be done downstairs because he ends in tears so often. If he has a good day without her he PAYS! As of right now we are fairly sure no intercourse is taking place but we did have to be very specific about our definition of sex and sexual intimacy since they both subscribe to “Clintonism”. Their most recent attempt was phone sex. You see “ that ‘s not intimate……” As we muttle through this trying to separate the regular teenaziness from this bizarre obsession we feel the toll it’s taking on our whole family. His 3 younger siblings have voiced “Why did she have to ruin our big brother and why does he like it? We miss him. Mom, he is mean to us now.” Our, used to be, self sufficient strong young man sees her manipulation and obstinance as some sort of courage and inner strength that he admires! She is his heroine (hmmm scarily appropriate). He just can’t see that he is really just her “boy toy”. We know he needs to find a lot of this out for himself but how long do we let it go?
There are some glimmers though, he has started doing things with his other friends again and he even watched a TV show with us the other day.

Disappointed Dad’s other half

Mike Bradley
10-29-2004, 03:36 PM
Dear Mom,
Those "glimmers" are huge! After each one, very softly frame those experiences for him WITHOUT preaching about the girl. For example say, "We really enjoyed watching you go out with your friends. Was it Ok for you?" and "It was wonderful seeing that movie with you. We've missed you!" Let him start to contrast his time with the girl vs. the unpressured, restorative time hanging out with family and friends.
Hang in there!