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Risa
09-17-2005, 12:57 PM
Dr. Bradley, as I read from the front cover of your book: “Yes, Your Teen is Crazy! Loving your Kid without Losing Your Mind”, I knew somehow that you were going to be able to help. The task however was even more daunting for me as an intensely loving mom (of a 16 year old son) who has been trying to manage chronic pain and major depressive disorder for the past few years.

As my personal issues began to escalate, my son’s behavior became increasingly more aggressive and less empathetic (to the point where I thought he was cold and had no heart). Typically my son’s method is black and white and usually ends up in a rage dispute leaving all parties angry and frustrated. By the time the rage occurs, the listening basically stops and so does the mutual respect. Pushback on everything in that all important struggle of identity and independence. Clearly this is just nature versus nurture taking its natural course, but I didn’t understand this while it was happening. I was personalizing everything and reacting in ways that were totally ineffective. As I reflect on these instances now, it occurs to me that if I were him, I would likely have challenged in a similar manner. Looking back on my own adolescent years…I believe I did. For the longest time now, I’ve been feeling totally lost and unskilled (read: miserable failure; my internal dialogue) as a parent. As a result I thought I had lost my son, the most precious gift that has ever been bestowed upon me.

My son is an excellent student (honor roll, scholarship, student council), participates and excels in sports and is highly thought of by all his teachers and other parents (glowing stories I can’t even believe what I’m hearing sometimes). But with me, at times he puts on an entirely different demeanor and likes to argue and fight (about anything – he always has to be right). He can become someone I don’t know (mean, cruel, uncaring). Last year he tried drugs. He asked me to clean his washroom and I found marijuana while cleaning. We talked honestly, even laughed about it because he said he forgot about them and didn’t even remember leaving them there. He swears he doesn’t do them anymore and says he just tried them but doesn’t like them. Some of his friends of course do use them, but he says he doesn’t. I have to believe and trust that’s true. Alcohol – same sort of issue. He seems to have a drink once in a while, but not often at all. He knows that I’m completely “against drugs and alcohol” on all levels. I’m particularly against under age drinking, and drinking/driving is absolutely non-negotiable. He agrees. We’ve discussed alcohol at length and his thoughts are that if someone has a party (and alcohol is on the premises) and if he has one or two openly, isn’t that better than sneaking around because inevitably, “everyone is going to do it”. Based on my “new-found” wisdom from reading your book, I listen really hard and respond by empathizing with his argument, but re-state my position (which is contrary) and hope and pray that he makes smart, wise and safe choices. He did in this example where he recently went to a party. He called at 10:30 to tell me where he was and what was going on (40 people, unsupervised, 5 blocks away, some drugs, smoking and alcohol). He also said he would be home between 12 and 12:15 and may have a beer. To my delight he was home at 12:02 and proudly told me that he didn’t have that beer he said he might have. I felt really proud of him and hugged him to bits.

Your book has been my wake-up call and paramount in helping me truly a re-define my parenting skills and my life. I now understand both in retrospect and for the purpose of my re-adjusting my current and future relationship with my son “how” to get back on track. I get it now! I know what I should have done and what I need to do. It was “me”. I was doing it all wrong. The problem has been that my illness blinded my ability to see things clearly and my reactions have been personal and emotional. Your insight has helped change the way I look at things and myself. I must overcome my personal issues, regardless of how difficult they are in order to be the best parent possible. I need to help my son survive this transitional period so that he can have the wonderful and positive life we all want for him – and I will succeed! Dr. Bradley, I can’t even begin to thank you for giving me back my sense of self. It’s been gone for so long. I feel excited and joyful again because suddenly everything feels right. I feel like I’ve had this major breakthrough (like I was hit with a bolt of lightning - but it felt good). My hope, my strength and my courage have returned. I can actually see that it “is” possible to make positive changes happen and through them I’ve been able to affect both my family and myself. The epiphany is being felt by everyone in my home. Thank you is not nearly enough.

Having reached this point however, I have one further outstanding issue that I desperately need your help with. I don’t know how to handle or respond to this request at all. The only thing I know for sure is I “don’t want to mess things up” now that I’ve finally figured out (fingers crossed tightly) how to re-connect with my son. He wants to go away for a weekend excursion “out of town” (gulp), “him driving” (big gulp) with some of his friends “unsupervised” (bigger gulp) to celebrate this upcoming New Year’s. When he told me of his plan in order to plant the seed, I calmly let him know that I couldn’t possibly give him any type of immediate answer on the issue and he should also be aware that any plan involving a group of unsupervised teenagers in a strange city for a weekend doesn’t sit well with me at all. He said he knew (of course he does) but has brought it up a couple of times since, i.e. “Can’t wait till Christmas holidays to get on the road. I think I’ll start looking into places to stay soon”. I tried to carefully sidestep the conversation by just laughing, commenting on our lovely weather and telling him how much I love him, however all the while my stomach was churning and the only thing I was really feeling was “terror and panic”.

Dr. Bradley, I cannot be caught unprepared for this and I want very much to retain my positive relationship with my son. PLEASE, can you help me with the right reactions and responses to this specific situation? I know my son. He will be persistent. He sees no reason why he cannot go on this new adventure. He feels that he is old enough, responsible and can be trusted, so why in the world would this present a problem???!!! I just don’t know “what to say” or “how to say it” so that he doesn’t lose respect and just take off anyway. I’m TERRIFIED and currently I have no logical way to rationalize this issue in a manner in which he will listen and accept. I need as many comebacks and solutions as possible and would greatly appreciate your insight. Thank you so very much for any help you can offer. I look forward “with great anticipation” to hearing back from you at your earliest convenience.

BTW, I’m really looking forward to your next book. :)

Mike Bradley
09-19-2005, 10:07 AM
Dear Parent,
I'd cut to the chase on this issue before it gains any more momentum. The longer you sidestep, the more his teen brain can imagine are going to permit this trip.
Perhaps start by getting some data, but all the while let him know that that you are opposed. Ask if anyone else has gotten their parents' permission for this trip. If he says yes, call those parents. The odds are that no one has OK'd this (I hope) and then you will have some allies.
Then take him out for a coffee, and restate his position about how great this trip looks to him, and agree that these are the sorts of adventures he should have WHEN he is older. Then negotiate some options, perhaps mentioning that the other parents have indicated that they are not giving their permission either, and that you can help him come up with another alternative that everyone can live with. Perhaps a supervised trip to a resort of some sort might work. Trips with activities (i.e.skiing) are great; trips for partying are disastrous.
In any event, slowly, and quietly but firmly keep saying, "Sorry, I'm afraid that unsupervised option won't work, but let's keep trying to find some option that might work..." Do not issue counter-threats if he threatens, "I'm going and you can't stop me", and do not tell him what you would do if he just took off. If he demands to know, just say, "Son, I'm not here to threaten you. I'm trying to help you to work this out." He knows what your options are if he chooses to go without permission, so do not go there. Some kids decide that a 3-month grounding is worth a trip.
Then continue to build on the positives that you have found in your relationship, telling him all of the great things about himself.
Be well.

Risa
09-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Dear Dr. Bradley,

The issue has already been brought up again and quite intensely. My son decided that because I didn’t say no when he discussed it originally, he interpreted it to mean that it was a possible a go-ahead. When my husband and I began to discuss the reasons why we didn’t think an unsupervised teen trip was a good idea, he didn’t take it very well (however it was the reaction I expected). His response was “I’m old enough, I’m mature enough, I’m responsible enough, why do I need adult supervision and I’m doing it whether you like it or not and there’s nothing you can do about it!” At first he told us he wanted to go away for a New Year’s weekend and today that changed to a week long trip. It seems to be getting worse.

We tried to calmly dissuade him, told him how much we love and respect him, suggest we negotiate an alternate plan and asked him to show respect for our wishes. We told him that teenagers in his age group don’t yet have fully developed reasoning skills/common sense (although they think they do and may be mature enough) which is why the age of majority and age for obtaining credit cards, etc. is all set at higher levels. We asked him to provide us with the names of the parents who were in favor of this trip (because we didn’t believe anyone else would go for it) but he wasn’t able to (or was unwilling). We said we completely understand his need for independence but pointed out potential hazards involved and how they can turn into issues of safety. We asked him to see the bigger picture and be reasonable. He’s not though. He’s being completely unreasonable and claims that so are we because we’re not agreeing with him. He seems totally unwilling to look at any alternatives and won’t budge. We can’t have him just take off like he’s threatening, but he’s very obstinate and he might just do it. It seems like he always wants to prove something. We don’t know how to handle this and we really need help because we feel we’re being pushed into a corner.

Any further advice you can enlighten us with would be appreciated.

Mike Bradley
09-21-2005, 09:01 AM
Dear Mom,
First, keep your frosty (stay calm) and do not overreact. It is very common for kids to occasionally "find the fences" or test the limits of parental rules. It seems to help them define where they are on the road to autonomy.
Second, don't start a war over something that might not happen. Note that apparently no other parents have OK'd this road trip (Thank God!) so this sounds more like a lunch table fantasy than a signed contract. Remember that January 1 is a long way off, particularly in the world of teens.
So just calmly keep the course. One time, tell him that you guys are always available to discuss and negotiate a holiday adventure, and that you will leave it up to him to call upon you. When he threatens to just go anyway, dispassionately say "Well, I hope we can find some other option that we all can live with" and then walk away.
Silently resign yourselves to the worst case scenario where he takes off and you must then call the police to have him found and returned, possibly in handcuffs if he takes your car; however, even this worst case would be his test of the limits, which he would then see clearly defined.
In the interim, treat him as you would a neighbor with different political views: nice person, different opinions. Focus on the positives with this boy to remind him that you love and respect him, and that if a war does occur, that it was really his choice, not yours.
Please keep us posted.

chris5257
09-22-2005, 04:52 PM
One thought I had in response to Dr. Bradley's advice not to go to war over something that might not happen - Most hotels don't allow anyone under 18 to rent a room. Maybe you could share that information with him and tell him that you won't even consider letting him go unless all plans are made ahead - "that would be the only safe and responsible way to do it, right, son?" - And you can't loan him your credit card for the reservation because you won't be there to sign for it. He can then call around and find out that he'll have no place to stay - "Oh darn! - The world is just full of silly rules!"

Ultimately, you could do what I once did. When my son was almost 17 he wouldn't take "no" for an answer either. He was insistent that he was going to an out of town two day concert. There was camping at the venue and he and his friends were going no matter what I said. We said "no" all along and I think he would have gone no matter what we did, so we decided that the most dangerous part of the whole affair was going to be the drive out of town by these inexperienced "crazy" teen drivers. I know that there was probably the risk of drugs and alcohol at the concert, but I figured that was no different than at home and without having to drive that risk even seemed tolerable, so I said okay you can go, but I'm driving up and back with you. I got one of the other moms to join me and we drove up in a separate car right along side them, dropped them at the camping venue, spent two nights in a hotel, then met them two days later and drove home with them.

I definitely think the best thing to do would have been to forbid him from going, but I really believe he would have gone anyway - so my husband and I had to decide how to keep him relatively safe and that's how we did it. Ultimately, allowing him to go seemed to really strengthen our relationship with him and it gave us many opportunities to discuss drugs and alcohol when he seemed to listen and engage in the discussion. I'm not sure those opportunities would have happened any other way.

My headstrong middle son is now a freshman in college - his high school years were the biggest challenge we've ever faced, but we made it through. Who knows how he will turn out - it's his life, but I'm really glad that we worked so hard to keep a good relationship with him and to show him that we respected and loved him in spite of the mistakes he made.

That's my "two cents worth" - I hope it helps. Good luck!

Christie

Risa
10-24-2005, 07:54 AM
Christie, my apology for taking so long to respond. You're open communication strategy demonstrated creativeness, strength, courage and support, and as a result your bond with your son grew even stronger as did your mutual respect. I truly congratulate you on your excellent efforts. That experience, as challenging as it was must have left you feeling really great at the end of the day, after all was said and done – Wow!

I can only hope and pray that we are as wise and lucky when our turn comes. So far the subject hasn't been brought up much lately (other issues have taken precedence - don't ask). I just really wish we get at least another year before he starts up with this one again, but... (It’s okay to pray for small miracles isn't it??) I’ll keep posting. Thanks again.